it's easier to do the figure-8 strafe with a controller. much harder to it, and the controller gets better interface mileage.

CCP removed most of the usefulness from KB/M. It's about as gimped as a game interface can get.

We also lost a lot of players and gained a few when CCP torched the interface

...Have you ever used kb/m? I agree that strafing is op, even if its not viable on kb(leftright no aa)
But please, no more nerfs to kb/m, its already quite gimped as it is. Try shotgunning with a mouse for once

:facepalm: there is no strafe speed advantage, if it is, it must be quite miniscule
You say it takes time to shift analog stick? It also take stime to alternate your fingers and apply pressure on a key

I have written on this many times and nothing has yet to be done it has no even been addressed as a problem by ccp ever.

It's literally what it says it is. Strafing in a figure 8 pattern.

And it's not something you can just remove from the game.

If the heavy can't aim then he desrves to lose the fight. Strafing is a 100% valid tactic as long as it doesn't result in a loss of hit detection. You just suck at strafing and can't hit moving targets so you want to get it removed. If strafing no longer becomes effective, then the only thing that will matter in this game will be how much health you have and how much damage you deal.

Also, how does someone who plays pc not know what figure-8 strafing is?

I'm sorry that when they handed out mutant super powers, the one they gave you was the inability to perceive reality as it is, instead of as you think it to be.

The game has inertia while changing strafe directions. Go test it.

Even going as far back as Doom your character had some delay before changing direction while strafing. Go test it.

And seriously:


You are literally saying that aiming is hard, and that's why you don't like strafing.

That is what all these arguments boil down to, but I'm glad you stated it clearly for everyone to see.

HTFU.

Scouts should NOT be engaging in single combat against sentinels and assaults in CQC. Scouts should be opportunistic and picking moments where their target is most vulnerable and then murder him. This means backshots with nova knives, licking ears with shotguns or sniping.

Juking back and forth is not "speed tanking." Speed tanking is moving along your chosen trajectory so goddamn fast that it is more difficult to connect solid l, killing hits. If the stupid herky-jerky strafe BS goes away then suddenly KinCats, cardiac regulators and damps become STUPIDLY critical to scout survival. Because if you strafe and suddenly swap direction, you lose enough momentum that the enemy can hit you.

Juking and erratic movement should be useful at long ranges and WORTHLESS in CQC. The answer in CQC should always be KILL FASTER.

Speed tanking is straight line, lateral movement, crossing the T of the enemy fire arc as it were.

The epileptic dance is not speed tanking.

Every single FPS/TPS use strafing in order to take advantage of your enemy. It's not the easiest thing to do as it requires a really good aim while strafing (and I know many players that doesnt know how to do it) and with this huge aim assit that CCP gave to everybody, it works even less than before.
If you take out this player skill, then TTK will drop amazingly and there wont be any fun left feom this game. What would be the point of a 250k isk proto suit if the first MLT guy can destroy it instantly even easier than he can now?
Dust is kind of a RpgFps, the rpg part gives skills to the player, but doesnt give him the victory! And the fps part is were the player skills are involved in order to aim right, take the good decisions, strafe wizely, etc.
Now the thing I believe should be done about scout strafing is to make their hitbox bigger so when they strafe they are still hitable.

Is this about strafing on KBM or the difficulty in shooting frontal assault scouts?

The KBM doesnt even respond well in Dust. I know a couple of PC gamers who were upset about CCP nerfing the KBM. The KBM users I know use KBM only for weapons that require precision shots.

Most of the strafing done in game seems to be done by DS3. Its easy for me to strafe figure eights and irregular patterns with my controller than a KB.

You will need data from CCP before stating that the strafers use KBM.

I think you're confusing people who are good with controllers with the few KBM controllers because the implication of precision of KBM. Its not strong here as you think.

Sorry but I dont really understand what you mean by "the speed at which the firing players aiming speed?".. My english is not so perfect (as written below :3) Could you be more expressive please? :)

Tell me more about what realism has to do with my space combat energy weapon super-suit video game. Or for that matter, tell me more about what realism has to do with fun.

A human can't actually produce spirit energy from his hands, therefore Street Fighter isn't fun.

Turtle shells, even when painted RED, cannot heat seek a gokart, therefore Mario Kart isn't fun.

When you die in a war, there are no actual respawn points(I have a marine friend that looked very, VERY hard), therefore every FPS ever made isn't fun, since the game doesn't delete itself the first time you die.

YES I am saying that video games shouldn't be realistic just for the sake of "realism". And I'm just plain old fashioned RIGHT.

Or do you want to be the first one that mounts an M-16 to your console, with a trigger that can be remotely controlled by your opponents?

Also, my insults aren't pointless, they are very pointed, and are aimed at bad ideas from lackluster minds.

Aiming speed is adjustable. 0=fastest, 100=slowest. It's more like 'how much dampener' instead of 'how much speed'.
In a heavy, at fastest speed, my problem is overshoot - I turn too far and have to swing back to my target. I actually have more success with aim speed slowed to about 40. I don't remember being out-turned when I was on the fastest setting. Could be wrong, didn't have it there for very long and it was a while ago.
Also, pretty much every primary close to mid range rifle does roughly 700 damage per second. If that scout can aim while strafing, he should be getting the kill.

With that said, these are futuristic suits with future tech. Ever seen a jackhammer at work? With enough energy behind it, transitional speed can seem instantaneous, so don't worry about the realism of transitional strafe speed. Instead, focus on the tactics the scouts use. Jumping in a circle to avoid you? He's gotta land somewhere. Missing while your cross hairs chase him around the screen? Stop shooting (wasting bullets) and pause a half second. Prolong the time to reload. Hit with short bursts until he's done dancing like a jackrabbit. Back up and strafe as well. Experienced players will, I'm sure, find new ways to avoid that shiny new rifle you have. You need to change it up as well. Once the scout is within about 10 meters or so then he SHOULD have the advantage. Think featherweight with a butchers knife against a heavyweight. My burst hmg doesn't leave many scouts standing, IF I see them first, lol. Those **** cloakers usually get me still, though. It's just a difference of advantages.
The realistic portion of this game is your ability to seek out the weakness in your opponents strategy, and adapt your own to exploit his shortcomings.
Sometimes (for me it's often times) we're simply out skilled. Not just SP, but actual controller skill.
Those **** cloaked scouts really irritate me, but it's a legitimate tactic. Not asking for cloak to get nerfed. Find a way to overcome. Adapt. Try a new tactic.

Cool, got nothing to say in response, but you haven't developed enough motor control to keep your gums from flapping, so in addition to calling me a treehugger, you post a Youtube video that's supposed to insult me.

I thought you didn't like pointless insults?

You don't like people strafing because you are bad at this game, and bad at FPS games in general. Strafing, figure-8s, juking, this is all part the dance of death that makes shooters fun to play, especially in 1on1 situations, and if you don't want that then you shouldn't be playing shooters.

Anyway, you gotta get over yourself, the bottom line is that if CCP ever manages to release Legion there'll be nothing but cheating super-strafing keyboard neckbeard tryhards playing this game, and none of them will really tolerate any sort of KB/M nerf, or for that matter none of them will tolerate the DS3's built in aim-bot.

I'm assuming you can't shoot based on the evidence you are presenting: Non-stop whining about not being able to shoot a moving target.

However, you're right, let's get some more data to check this assumption:

Your KD:
0.84 with 15,566 kills
1.38 win/loss

For comparison, let's compare a mediocre player's stats:
2.42 kd 30,873 kills
3.18 win/loss

That mediocre player would be me, FYI, and I play a LOT of highly competitive PC and Faction Warfare with the 2nd worst weapon in the game.

I'd say see you in game, but matchmaking is unlikely to put a mediocre player like me against an abysmal player like you.

Anyone who starts one of these movement nerf threads basically outs themselves as a trash player.

Movement in the game does not need a nerf, it probably needs a buff, and if you don't like hitting moving targets, then you're playing the wrong genre.

I'm not going through the whole thread so I may miss points.

0.02 ISK for those that care

The Argument over who is better in CQ, is close to over (Assault/Scout/Heavy) as they are near balanced.
So I think mercs need to be clarified on the terms for who/when/why they win in CQ

- Scout - If undetected can take down any target in CQ.

- Heavy - If supported and they use awareness they WIN CQ.. no excuses

- Assault - Should be holding his nemesis (Scout/Heavy) outside what I would call CQ (30m)

So from here all the 3 roles need to do is play their role.

- Scout - Disturbs enemy 'nest' killing/hacking as they go which leaves ...

- Heavy - Waits for scout to disturb nest, then they can move in and make it their own

- Assault - Supports the 'nest' take-over by allowing Scout/Heavy to secure it
while they slay anything that moves outside of cover.

All 3 suits have a role to perform, with varied fittings those roles can change. Such as
The reason for this thread - Strafing

Stafing can be utilised by any role once they avoid plates, and stay 'on their toes'
That goes for strafing HMG's to strafing Shotty scouts and even my strafing Assault Ck.0
It is a viable role and an alternative to sh1tbr1ck tanking..

Adding inertia to strafing would make the game faster, since you couldn't use herky-jerky dancing to dodge fire at point blank range.

Time to kill would drop pretty hard and make your fit more important than your ability to make the controller do funky things.